From salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com Mon Aug 2 18:46:26 2004 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (host-66-81-64-5.rev.o1.com [66.81.64.5]) by fate.sculptors.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731kNCG058107; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com) Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i731kMGp009767; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:22 -0700 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (salsbury@localhost) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i731kMm3009762; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200408030146.i731kMm3009762@bootstrap.sculptors.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: airships@bootstrap.sculptors.com, autopilot@bootstrap.sculptors.com, clean-water@bootstrap.sculptors.com, domesteading@bootstrap.sculptors.com, floating-cities@bootstrap.sculptors.com, fuel-cells@bootstrap.sculptors.com, future-sutides@bootstrap.sculptors.com, upspin@bootstrap.sculptors.com, uranium-hot-rock@bootstrap.sculptors.com X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:46:22 -0700 From: Patrick Salsbury Cc: Subject: Reality Sculptors Wiki posting problem fixed...so post! :-) X-BeenThere: clean-water@sculptors.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Addresses the issues of clean, sustainable water supplies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 01:46:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: airships, autopilot, clean-water, domesteading, floating-cities, fuel-cells, future-sutides, upspin, uranium-hot-rock Cc: Subject: Reality Sculptors Wiki posting problem fixed...so post! :-) X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When we migrated things to the new webserver last spring, there were only a couple of bumps. One of them (which only 2 people other than myself seemed to notice in the interceding 4-5 months) was that posting/editing to the wiki pages was broken. (I guess that's a sad reflection on the traffic that the wiki gets, but you can help change that! Read on...) I finally got to sit down and debug the problem, and as I suspected, it was a simple (*really* simple!) fix...once I knew exactly what to do and how to do it. Anyway, the practical upshot is that you can now add/edit/correct content on the wiki pages, again. So please do so! There are a lot of dangling forward-links and left-unfinished bits already in there, and more topics and areas waiting to be built. It's more than any one (or few) of us can do, but we can all do a little bit about the things we know about, and improve the overall result. If you haven't looked at it in a while...well, not much has changed in the last 4-5 months! ;-) But I'm hoping that there will be a burst of new activity as you all get inspired and begin bouncing ideas off of one-another. Now would be a great time to go browsing through and reacquaint yourself with what's there, and what still needs to be added. I suspect you'll be surprised and find something new in there, somewhere. Have fun! - -- Pat -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Don't know what GPG is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iD8DBQFBDu5uHJeVqQarW2cRAsNNAKCktSw74NwPWtinlrm89tVc5MQyyACfTYy9 3v6n/rYm2sZs3gwSnPcPra0= =b0/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com Tue Aug 3 06:24:44 2004 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (host-66-81-70-105.rev.o1.com [66.81.70.105]) by fate.sculptors.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i73DOcCG063155; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com) Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i73DObGp027627; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:24:37 -0700 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (salsbury@localhost) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i73DObqO027621; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:24:37 -0700 Message-Id: <200408031324.i73DObqO027621@bootstrap.sculptors.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: domesteading@bootstrap.sculptors.com, clean-water@bootstrap.sculptors.com, fuel-cells@bootstrap.sculptors.com, future-studies@bootstrap.sculptors.com X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:24:36 -0700 From: Patrick Salsbury Cc: Subject: How infrastructure pervades and directs economics...and the World. 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X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's an interesting bit I just found in an article about the IT-outsourcing business in India: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG31Df05.html Ironically, Bangalore, which has become "India's Silicon Valley" and the focus of many news articles about how jobs are being outsourced to India, may itself fall victim to the very same trend. Many of the IT companies located in Bangalore are now talking about outsourcing and relocating to other Indian cities, where wages are cheaper(?!) and where the infrastructure is more developed & stable (which is why I'm posting it here.) This is a bit of what caught my attention: "In a city where time is money, getting caught in a traffic jam means money down the drain. Bangalore's 5.5 million residents who spend hours commuting on potholed and dug-up roads, and suffer acute water and power shortages, fully empathize with Wipro's frustration. Bangalore's infrastructure failed to show improvement under former chief minister S M Krishna. This incidentally was the state of affairs under a government that was accused of having given far too much attention to Bangalore and IT. In fact, the Congress party's poor showing in the recent elections to the Karnataka State Assembly were attributed to his excessive attention to Bangalore at the cost of rural Karnataka. If this is the kind of infrastructure support received when a government was supposed to be paying attention to this city, what is to be expected from the present government, which is openly hostile to Bangalore and IT? is a question that many IT companies are asking now." There's more in the article, but I won't post it all here. I guess I just found it vaguely humorous that, despite all the flap in America and elsewhere about "lost jobs" going to India, it turns out that they are dealing with their own problems, and facing the same inexorable business forces that they currently profit from. I say "humorous" not because of banal reasoning such as "They are at risk of losing their jobs, and are getting a taste of their own medicine!" (Which I'm pretty sure many Americans would likely say, probably preceded or followed by something like "Serves them right!") Rather, "humorous" because it seems that the problems, whatever they are, often seem to boil down to the same basic elements, and those elements are usually infrastructure-related. People don't have enough power, or food, or housing/structures, or water/sanitation, etc. It's the same old story, over, and over, and over... (In this case, it's even more wryly humorous, because the Americans are worried about losing their jobs (aka "means of life-support") to people who are *just* as worried (and rightly so) the same thing will be done to them, and they'll get the proverbial rug yanked out from under them, just as they were beginning to get a leg up and be able to provide better for their families, etc. Add to this the corporations, with what Bucky noted in "Grunch of Giants" was their plodding, unthinking and seemingly unswervable drive to maximize profit numbers, with little-or-no regard for numbers on any other axes (such as employee health & happiness, environmental health, etc.) and you begin to see the makings of a grim and continuing tragedy: The corporations will continue to go where the labor is cheaper (...just so long as they've got enough infrastructure to be able to operate well!), where land prices are cheaper, where taxes aren't too oppressive, and regulations aren't too tight. It's what they're evolved to do...mechanically try to maximise profits and minimize costs. (Ho-hum...) They'll keep on doing this, under current business models, because they are only looking at "the bottom line". Corporations just plod along, trying to maximize profits, and often only (grudgingly) clean up their pollution, or bad policies, or whatever, when they get caught and are forced to pay out some of those cherished profits by a government agency. Arguments and protests, or appeals to an assumed "social conscience" don't seem to work well at all. (Hey, a corporation doesn't *have* a conscience! It's not a human being, even though it often asks for the same rights as one in the courts...whenever it suits the corporation's goals...) In fact, they are only looking at ONE of the bottom lines! As William McDonough and Michael Braungart point out in "Cradle to Cradle", there are other ways of calculating costs & benefits in business, and they have developed a "triple bottom line" approach which achieves results that seem to escape just about every other business implementation out there. They arrive at solutions that are profitable for the corporation, good for the environment, good for the workers today, AND for future generations that needn't inherit our poor polluting habits! Those interested in this are *STRONGLY* encouraged to read "Cradle to Cradle" and see the associated DVD video "The Next Industrial Revolution", featuring many examples from the book. Details at http://mbdc.com/ It's the same problem, repeated over and over, and it will continue until we manage to break the cycle of there even *being* impoverished people who can be exploited by mindless business constructs in an effort to shave off a few more costs here and there. I actually look forward to the day when MOST jobs are done automatically by machines that don't get sick, get tired, or go on strike. And at the same time EVERYONE has enough food, water, shelter, and access to information, so that they can engage in learning, or self-directed work on whatever projects they feel are important. Or, indeed, even to float off into a TV-soaked, snack-chip-flavored oblivion of doing nothing productive whatsoever! If more people stay home, that's less traffic, less accidents, less hospital injuries, lower insurance costs, more parking, and less pollution for all of us! If we could get all of that by paying people a couple of bags of chips per day to stay home and watch TV, it seems like Society would be getting the better end of the deal! [TV programming sucks, and the chips aren't that great, either! ;-) ] When the current scarcity-based and money-driven models of our current economics are finally laid to rest, and we actually do begin "doing more with less" as Bucky proposed so many decades ago, maybe we can finally also put to rest the tired and deprecating notion that everyone must "earn their living" and "prove their worth", or face the stigma of being labeled as a "layabout" or some other derogatory term. For a funny example of how ingrained it is in our social models, and a glimpse at just how radical the notion of what I'm proposing really is, compared to what we're used to, just look at all the terms we have to describe people who don't work! (From http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=layabout ) LAYABOUT: Dictionary Entry and Meaning Pronunciation: 'leyu`bawt WordNet Dictionary Definition: [n] person who does no work; "a lazy bum" Synonyms: bum, do-nothing, idler, loafer See Also: clock watcher, couch potato, dallier, dawdler, daydreamer, dillydallier, drone, goldbrick, good-for-naught, good-for-nothing, goof-off, laggard, lagger, lazybones, lie-abed, loon, lounger, mope, ne'er-do-well, nonworker, shirker, slacker, slug, slugabed, sluggard, spiv, sunbather, trailer, trifler, whittler, woolgatherer Click on related terms, like "goof-off" and "laggard", and you'll see that the English language cascades off into hundreds of different (and all derogatory) terms to describe those who don't have jobs. (Which helps to explain the automatic panic-reaction and knee-jerk response in society whenever the sacred-cow of "jobs" is threatened with company relocation, outsourcing, layoffs, or just plain failure and collapse; whether due to crappy business practices, or the same kind of shifts in markets and technology that put the buggy-whip makers and typewriter repairmen out of work.) Bonus points for those who compare and contrast the hundreds of words to describe the "bone-lazy" "clock watcher" or "unenterprising" "slouch" with the (rather notably fewer, and MUCH more complimentary) terms for the "wealthy" and "affluent" people that we're supposed to strive to become. And the (also few, not-so-complimentary) terms related to "retired". If you step outside the box for a couple of minutes and explore the language I've just pointed out, it begins to appear that our society (most of them, actually, but the U.S. is especially egregious on this regard) has more than a little hangup about money (surprise!) and the work that's done to get it. This presents a large inertia-problem for any design scientists and problem-solvers who want to try to move *beyond* our current set of phobias and hangups, as I suggest above. And this brings us, in a rather lackadaisical and roundabout way, back to the beginning of this note, started so many hours ago...and a rather startling realization: Humanity does not seem quite ready to cope with the actuality and reality of the ephemeralization (or "doing more with less") trend that's barreling down the proverbial tracks at us. We're seeing it in the responses to "job" losses everywhere (some due to outsourcing, others to the march of technology, making buggy-whip-makers of us all, eventually. We're also seeing it in the political promises to "create more jobs", which are always greeted with cheers. (That's why the politicians keep saying it, regardless of whether they actually do it or not...I suspect they just like the cheering. ;-) ) Humanity apparently doesn't know *WHAT TO DO* with the concept of a *majority* of people (and eventually, a BIG majority) all simultaneously achieving the "American Dream" of having enough clean, renewable, eco-effective and non-polluting resources at their disposal to assure their family of safety and security, *and* a high standard of living, *and* a good education for themselves and their children. ...and the very thought of it seems to scare everybody shitless. How many people do you know who could be described as a "workaholic"? How many people have ever told you that they "tried to retire", or take time off from work, but that it "drove them crazy" and they felt compelled to re-enter the workforce, or volunteer, or just do "something" other than relaxing? The ironic fact of the matter is that the Malthusian idea of there "not being enough to go around" doesn't really apply so much to material goods and energy, as we find ever more clever ways to ephemeralize, and harness the energies of the Universe, but it *does* seem to apply to our traditional concepts of "jobs" and "earned income" and "wages" done for so-called "honest work". Global population is still-growing (I don't think that's a real problem, as birthrate naturally decreases when the standard of living increases. But that's a whole different essay. This one is long enough already! :-) ) and there's a shrinking number of "traditional" jobs in manufacturing, etc., as we eventually replace people with new technology and gain greater efficiencies from that technology. This Malthusian loss of "jobs" also promises to wreak havoc with all sorts of subtle subconscious things, like how we define our sense of self-worth and social status/rank if we can't use money as a unit of measure, what we actually want to DO with our lives, once "working for a living" is no longer an widespread option, and the ramifications on our political systems and social/ physical infrastructure when there are fewer and fewer actual "incomes" out there for governments to tax. (Think about THAT one for a minute!) So people are staring at this thing...this wave of change advancing through everything, like a deer in the headlights. They seem generally unwilling to come to grips with the fact that the trends will most likely continue, and what manual-labor jobs that still remain will go to the lowest bidders in ever-shifting locations throughout the developing countries around the planet. This will probably continue until, eventually, robot-labor becomes cheaper than human labor...and THEN what? (The mind fairly recoils at the thought! But it's also where things get really interesting...) No wonder people just want things to go back to the way they were! But deep down, everyone knows that they won't get their old job back. The mill won't open up again, the old Union pay rate now gets 2-5 times as many workers overseas (for the same price) as it did here for 1 person (and incidentally, is now helping 2-5 families raise their standard of living, and their kids...for the same price.) It any wonder the high-paying jobs left for cheaper pastures? Shopping for a better price is as American as Apple Pie. (Perhaps more-so, actually...) The loss of one's job can certainly lead to personal hardship, and feelings of loss of self-worth, and all the baggage that comes with those derogatory terms we explored above. But loss of one's job (preferably by your own choice to quit) while having the necessary resources available to continue living and growing and learning (indefinitely, if possible) is a horse of a different color. Now we're back to the American Dream, juxtaposed to dangerously close to the American Nightmare of having no job, no income, and no way of securing them. The attitude and perceptual shift between those scenarios comes mainly out of the knowledge/assurance of having a steady supply of necessary resources (whatever they may be) vs. a fear of scarcity, of running out, of not having enough. (That's what our entire current global economic model seems pretty much based on: "There's not enough, so we need to fight, and hoard, and all that rot.") So, humorously, it all comes back down to infrastructure...again. :-) Now expand the concept of an individual losing (or leaving behind) his or her job, and the "Dream of Abundance" or the "Nightmare of Scarcity", depending on their infrastructure and resource availabilities, and scale that dual-possibility, Dream/Nightmare scenario up to the size of an entire nation, or the entire planet. ("Utopia or Oblivion", as Bucky called it.) A person can feel devastated (or liberated), at the loss of a job. But what happens to a Nation, a Society, or an entire Planet when it not only loses (or willingly surpasses) its "jobs", but also the very *need* for them? Do we go for Utopia, or Oblivion? It's all a matter of choice, really: - -We could fight tooth and nail for the last factory position, and the last drop of oil, and the last bit of whatever, wherever it is. We could complain about losing jobs to outsourcing nations, and enact boycotts and sanctions and wage wars against them all, (and so on....) We could carry on doing this until it's ALL used up, that new technology is mostly smashed and broken, and most of the people who knew how to use that new technology to do more-with-less are dead...the rest having never bothered to learn about it... - -Or, we can use our knowledge and advancing technologies to make sure that NO ONE "has" to perform degrading tasks just to "earn" their right to live. (Those things are better left to machines, aren't they?) If we make *sure* that people needn't worry about whether they'll have electricity at home, and food on the table, and disease-free water supplies, then they can focus on the more challenging and rewarding things in life, such as raising a family, learning some new skill, or trying to solve one of the remaining problems, after food, shelter, sanition, energy, and eduction have been taken care of... ...We just need to decide quickly, 'cause that wave of change seems to be heading right for us, and it's not showing any signs of stopping, or even slowing, no matter how much we complain. - -- Pat -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Don't know what GPG is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iD8DBQFBD5IUHJeVqQarW2cRAqQyAKDPjrYYQ20OKw883ooe6KmzXdqvgwCfZJKW as5ykvnBC37uFLaYzB5pGX0= =Zvc0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com Sun Aug 15 18:20:45 2004 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (host-66-81-124-240.rev.o1.com [66.81.124.240]) by fate.sculptors.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7G1KhCG072217; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com) Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7G1KgGp005951; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:20:42 -0700 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (salsbury@localhost) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i7G1Kf6n005945; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:20:42 -0700 Message-Id: <200408160120.i7G1Kf6n005945@bootstrap.sculptors.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: domesteading@bootstrap.sculptors.com, clean-water@bootstrap.sculptors.com X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:20:41 -0700 From: Patrick Salsbury Cc: Subject: PROPANE REFRIGERATION UNITS - how do they work? X-BeenThere: clean-water@sculptors.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Addresses the issues of clean, sustainable water supplies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:20:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: domesteading, clean-water Cc: Subject: PROPANE REFRIGERATION UNITS - how do they work? X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just found this very informative page: http://www.lpappliances.com/G-Absorp.html "Here is the technical data on how gas or heating element driven absorption systems cool your LP 'fridge or freezer." [...] It also has a nice diagram showing how a typical system is laid out. I had always wondered about just how to use heat to make cold. Now I've got a good explanation! Obviously, this has practical application for atmospheric condensing, too. Hence, the cross-post to the clean-water list. :-) - -- Pat -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Don't know what GPG is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iD8DBQFBIAvpHJeVqQarW2cRApx4AKDDK10W0ytUQXHN488SyyqkUSiRrACfVkM2 wYxtf8Mo01+67K/ec2T38yc= =MavU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From autopilot-bounces@sculptors.com Sun Aug 15 08:08:09 2004 Received: from www.cybergreetings.com (mail.hylandtech.com [63.105.17.122]) by fate.sculptors.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i7FF86CG011840; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from autopilot-bounces@sculptors.com) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by cybergreetings.com ( IA Mail Server Version: 4.2.3. Build: 2017 ) ; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:43:23 -0700 Received: from user-119br4d.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.236.141] helo=fate.sculptors.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BroO3-0000wo-00; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:46:43 -0700 Received: from fate.sculptors.com (4d4ec8508e77ce5d3b84f38e05bd0916@localhost.sculptors.com [127.0.0.1]) by fate.sculptors.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731kfCI058152; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from autopilot-bounces@sculptors.com) Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (host-66-81-64-5.rev.o1.com [66.81.64.5]) by fate.sculptors.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i731kNCG058107; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from salsbury@bootstrap.sculptors.com) Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i731kMGp009767; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:22 -0700 Received: from bootstrap.sculptors.com (salsbury@localhost) by bootstrap.sculptors.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i731kMm3009762; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:46:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200408030146.i731kMm3009762@bootstrap.sculptors.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: airships@bootstrap.sculptors.com, autopilot@bootstrap.sculptors.com, clean-water@bootstrap.sculptors.com, domesteading@bootstrap.sculptors.com, floating-cities@bootstrap.sculptors.com, fuel-cells@bootstrap.sculptors.com, future-sutides@bootstrap.sculptors.com, upspin@bootstrap.sculptors.com, uranium-hot-rock@bootstrap.sculptors.com X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg From: Patrick Salsbury X-BeenThere: autopilot@sculptors.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Sender: autopilot-bounces@sculptors.com Errors-To: autopilot-bounces@sculptors.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:20:03 -0700 Cc: Subject: Reality Sculptors Wiki posting problem fixed...so post! :-) X-BeenThere: clean-water@sculptors.com List-Id: "Addresses the issues of clean, sustainable water supplies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:08:10 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:46:22 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:08:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: airships, autopilot, clean-water, domesteading, floating-cities, fuel-cells, future-sutides, upspin, uranium-hot-rock Cc: Subject: Reality Sculptors Wiki posting problem fixed...so post! :-) X-Image-Url: http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/patrick-salsbury_01-20-03_small.jpg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When we migrated things to the new webserver last spring, there were only a couple of bumps. One of them (which only 2 people other than myself seemed to notice in the interceding 4-5 months) was that posting/editing to the wiki pages was broken. (I guess that's a sad reflection on the traffic that the wiki gets, but you can help change that! Read on...) I finally got to sit down and debug the problem, and as I suspected, it was a simple (*really* simple!) fix...once I knew exactly what to do and how to do it. Anyway, the practical upshot is that you can now add/edit/correct content on the wiki pages, again. So please do so! There are a lot of dangling forward-links and left-unfinished bits already in there, and more topics and areas waiting to be built. It's more than any one (or few) of us can do, but we can all do a little bit about the things we know about, and improve the overall result. If you haven't looked at it in a while...well, not much has changed in the last 4-5 months! ;-) But I'm hoping that there will be a burst of new activity as you all get inspired and begin bouncing ideas off of one-another. Now would be a great time to go browsing through and reacquaint yourself with what's there, and what still needs to be added. I suspect you'll be surprised and find something new in there, somewhere. Have fun! - -- Pat -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Don't know what GPG is? Check http://www.pgpi.org/ iD8DBQFBDu5uHJeVqQarW2cRAsNNAKCktSw74NwPWtinlrm89tVc5MQyyACfTYy9 3v6n/rYm2sZs3gwSnPcPra0= =b0/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----